cut = copy

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cut = copy

Post by view »

Hi,
In everything 1.5, when moving a file, the original file remains in the previous folder, just like when copying.
What could be the reason for this?
horst.epp
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Re: cut = copy

Post by horst.epp »

No delete rights on the source folder ?
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Re: cut = copy

Post by view »

no I don't think, manually I can delete (inside everything)
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Re: cut = copy

Post by void »

Thank you for the issue report view,

How are you moving the file?
For example: Ctrl + X, Ctrl + V or drag drop or Edit -> Move to folder?

Does the file get moved and Everything doesn't detect the old file being deleted? (can you open the old file?)
-Please make sure Index -> Update Indexes is checked.

Debug logs might help:
  • In Everything 1.5, from the Tools menu, under the Debug submenu, click Start Debug Logging....
  • Move a file in Everything.
  • From the Tools menu, under the Debug submenu, click Stop Debug Logging....
    ---This will open your %TEMP%\Everything Debug Log.txt in Notepad.
  • Please reply with the contents of this file or create a [/rurl=/bugreport]bug report[/rurl] with this file attached.
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Re: cut = copy

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How are you moving the file?
For example: Ctrl + X, Ctrl + V or drag drop or Edit -> Move to folder
Ctrl + X in Everything, Ctrl + V in Explorer
Does the file get moved and Everything doesn't detect the old file being deleted? (can you open the old file?)
In Everything I see the copied file in new and old directory, I still can open in the old directory (and in the new too), the file in the old folder remains selected; when I move the moved file back to the old folder in Explorer, I am asked if I want to replace tor rename.
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Re: cut = copy

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2024-11-09 23:45:04.647: Everything: 1.5.0.1383a (x64)
2024-11-09 23:45:04.647: OS: Windows NT 10.0 19045 (x64)
2024-11-09 23:45:04.647: Admin: 1
...
2024-11-09 23:45:08.090: CUT isviewing 0 0
2024-11-09 23:45:08.091: iscut 1
2024-11-09 23:45:08.091: ghost selection
2024-11-09 23:45:08.091: viewing 0 0
2024-11-09 23:45:08.091: on clipboard changed 0 1630 1636 1
2024-11-09 23:45:08.091: is cut done
Everything sees the cut.
Looks like Windows Explorer is performing a copy-paste instead of a cut-paste.

There might be a permission issue.
Although, I have not been able to reproduce the issue..

Please try running Everything as a standard user and see if the issue persists:
  • In Everything, from the Tools menu, click Options.
  • Click the General tab on the left.
  • Check Store settings and data in %APPDATA%\Everything.
  • Uncheck Run as administrator.
  • Check Everything Service. (Please make sure this is tick-checked and not square-checked)
  • Click OK.
  • Exit Everything (from the File menu, click Exit).
  • Restart Everything.
What is the path of the file being cut? what is the path of the paste destination?
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Re: cut = copy

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Unfortunately nothing has changed with the service...
What is the path of the file being cut? what is the path of the paste destination?
From Y:\A1t\ to Y:\11test\, It is a veracrypt volume

Background: I have been working with 1.4 for both my PC and the Veracrypt volume, but this version started at some point (or I only noticed it then) to show (empty) files from the disconnected Veracrypt volume, which I don't want. I tried to work with version 1.4 with 2 different databases, one installed, the other portable, but they don't seem to be independent.
1.4 and 1.5 work well in parallel, but unfortunately with the problem above...
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Xadro
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Re: cut = copy

Post by Xadro »

I'm glad that I'm not the only one with this problem.

What still works for me is dragging the file from Everything to an explorer window, that still moves a file. But both Ctrl + X and the Cut option from the right mouse click menu only copies.

Oh and Edit -> Move to Folder also works as it should.

I'm using Version 1.5.0.1383a (x64)

Edit: I ran 1.4 Portable without changing any settings and it had no problems.

I also closed 1.5a and then ran the Portable version of 1.5a and it had the same problem as my installed version of 1.5a has.
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Re: cut = copy

Post by jimspoon »

Not to hijack thread, but when I saw this post I thought I'd try it:

Select some files in Everything.
Press Ctrl+X
Move focus to a file contained in a different folder.
Press Ctrl+V.
Sure enough the cut files were moved to the folder containing the focused file.

I didn't know we could do that! Very useful.
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Re: cut = copy

Post by void »

I haven't been able to reproduce the issue with Veracrypt on my end.
Edit: I ran 1.4 Portable without changing any settings and it had no problems.
The only difference between 1.4 and 1.5 is Everything 1.5 also adds a Shell IDList Array to the clipboard.
Maybe this is causing troubles..

I will add an option to disable Shell IDList Array for the next alpha update.
I will report back once this is ready for testing.

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Re: cut = copy

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Does the issue persist if you enable clipboard_simple_pidl:
  • In Everything 1.5, from the Tools menu, click Options.
  • Click the Advanced tab on the left.
  • To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
    simple
  • Select: clipboard_simple_pidl
  • Set the value to: true
  • Click OK.
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Re: cut = copy

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Tried it with my installed version and the portable one and no changes the only way to Move a file is to drag it from the Everything window to the Explorer window.

It's quite mystifying because my other PC and Laptop work just fine.
void wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2024 9:07 am Does the issue persist if you enable clipboard_simple_pidl:
  • In Everything 1.5, from the Tools menu, click Options.
  • Click the Advanced tab on the left.
  • To the right of Show settings containing, search for:
    simple
  • Select: clipboard_simple_pidl
  • Set the value to: true
  • Click OK.
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